Everytime I see someone with a huge following on Instagram (or any social media for that matter) I’m like … How did they get that many followers? And how are they making money from it? Well, wonder no more, Timbo! Because today’s guests, Stephanie Claire-Smith and Laura Henshaw, have a combined Instagram following of over 1.3 million people, which they’ve turned in to multiple revenue streams – everything from an eBook to a health food brand with 21 products to Bikinis! Keen to know how they’ve done it? I certainly am!
There’s loads more tips and insights just like this that will help you build that beautiful business of yours into the empire it deserves to be. Hit the PLAY button above to listen now, or subscribe free to hear the full interview. You’ll also find the full interview transcription below.
If you have questions about how to use Instagram to market your business, then you’ll get this answers in this interview, including:
- Why Instagram and not Facebook?
- How do you get started on Instagram?
- How do you interact with your Followers?
- What makes a successful Instagram account?
- What’s the best way to increase your Instagram Followers?
- What posts work best on Instagram?
- And plenty more …
A big thank-you to my personal trainer Danny Kennedy for introducing me to Stephanie Claire-Smith and Laura Henshaw … two 24-year old Melbourne-based entrepreneurs who have built some significant businesses and revenue streams from their Instagram fame.
Stephanie has 1.3M followers and Laura (a part-time Law student) has 160,000.
Together, they’ve created the Kick Girls brand which includes a hugely successful online training program for young women. Along with the the Keep It Cleaner range of health food products available in supermarkets nationally.
On top of that, Stephanie has launched a bikini brand called Midnight Co and a Sunglasses brand called Soda Shades, and is also an ambassador for Clinique and Bondi Sands.
If you’ve ever wondered how to grow and monetise a social media following then you’re going to love this chat.
Here’s what caught my attention from my chat with Keep It Cleaner’s Stephanie Claire-Smith & Laura Henshaw:
- Focus on engagement, not Followers. And it would seem the best way to do this is follow the theory of TELL don’t SELL.
- I loved how … when they realised their followers wanted more of them … they created and sold a simple eBook – despite the fact that included a photo of some slimy banana bread!
- I love how they are crystal clear on their brand and what it stands for. It was a pretty gutsy move for Stephanie to say “No’ to that Diet Tea brand given the amount of coin they were offering for a simple post … however, taking a long-term view there is no doubt that was the right decision.
Steph Smith & Laura Henshaw Interview Transcription
Stephanie
Ambition wise I didn’t really have much thought of that through Instagram to be honest. I just started it much like everyone else. I kind of thought it was just an app to filter my photos at first. I didn’t realise it was so public so I had no idea that it was going to grow the way it has. It was probably about a year into it that the numbers in my following started to grow pretty insane.
Tim
How long ago was this?
Stephanie
I started Instagram five and half years ago.
Tim
Oh wow, long time ago.
Stephanie
Yeah. So it’s been a nice stage.
Tim
So you’re about seven. Laura, what about you. What is your ambition?
Laura
I started mine a bit later. Mine was a personal page basically and I used it to follow other fitness accounts. But then a few years into it i suppose , when we became friends we started to realise that it was a really great marketing platform. So then that’s why we put a lot of effort into growing it.
Tim
What was the realization?
Laura
I think you just people are really engaged on Instagram with what you do it’s different to any other platform even to Facebook. I think on Instagram because you choose to follow that person, it’s not like normal advertising. Because when you see an ad on tv you see it but you didn’t choose to watch it. It just comes up but on Instagram you’re actually choosing to see these people so you trust them and we kind of realize that especially Steph it’s incredible how much inspiration . People look up to you so much. And that’s what we found and so then from there we thought well that’s where we started , why don’t we? And Steph was getting so many questions about what do you eat, and what’s your workout, and all of those things. And so that was when it was like oh this could be a business.
Tim
Where there you go, I like that. My daughter Stephanie who is joining us here. You’ll think this is a really lame question but your old man dad has to ask it. Why Instagram and not Facebook?
Stephanie
To be honest when I was on Facebook throughout high school, I never looked at it as a marketing platform. I just purely saw it as a place that I could share my photos and update my friends with where I was at and all that sort of stuff. And then when Instagram came out was when it was kind of like okay well maybe I’ll get my Facebook private so that i have got something private and my Instagram can grow into something like more of a marketing kind of platform. So I don’t know why but I feel like I’m a much more visual person myself anyway.
Tim
Clearly the right decision.
Stephanie
Yeah clearly.
Laura
It’s not as accessible, Facebook I don’t think. I think on Instagram you really have access to everything in our life but on Facebook I don’t feel the same connection with people as I do on Instagram.
Tim
Is it an observation around the medium and not around what you’re putting on the medium? Not about the medium?
Laura
I mean now you can do stories on Facebook but before you couldn’t.
Tim
So just explain that because you are talking not to people like you. A bigger question there is what makes a really effective Instagram account? And part of that is story.
Stephanie
Yeah for sure. Well the story is basically like any account can throughout the day put up photos and video. And it’s up for 24 hours basically. So you can click on an icon and you can literally watch our day. Some people put up one post. Some people literally put up their whole day in a story.
Tim
Steph, honestly how many?
Stephanie
Well yesterday it was a lot. Some days I’m very on. And I just feel like talking a lot or there just might be a lot on that I want to share. Other days it’s like “oh, how cute is my dog”
Tim
Right. You were saying, Claire?
Stephanie
Laura. Our names get mixed up.
Laura
Yeah I’m the same. I think it’s a really great platform because people really get to see. And that’s what people want to see on social media is they want to see you and they want to be able to watch. I think the reason that our business has been so successful is because we are so relatable. We don’t just post polished glossy and I know the podcast you did last week that I listened to with the man from MTV.
Tim
Yeah. Jules.
Laura
Jules , he was saying don’t do glossy video and we could not agree anymore with that. The more relatable and real it is the more accessible it is to people and the more they want to engage with
Tim
I’m going to challenge you on this Steph. My daughter, she give me the eye. Your videos are fairly relatable. I’m going out on a limb here. Be nice to me Stephanie. Your photos are relatively relatable. I feel like yours are less- so they’re beautiful. And there’s a lot of work being done on them.
Stephanie
Yeah. So especially to my page right now, I’ve got a lot of modelling photos going on and I’ve still got a lot of goals inside the modeling industry so I still have to keep that kind of content going.
Tim
Little lumbered, little agenda going on yeah.
Stephanie
But I still you know, all of my stories are untouched.
Tim
Do you think they’re relatable, Steph?
Steph
Like to an extent. Obviously where incomplete like I’m a 17 year old girl. And you’re like what, 24? You know working women but to an extent, how do you feel like you can keep your Instagram real and like how do you keep it relatable? Do you find that with Instagram stories or?
Stephanie
Yeah Instagram stories probably the easiest and quickest way for me to do that.
Tim
Keeping it real.
Stephanie
And it’s also like I’m not afraid to put up posts now and then which we have done in the past where it might be a comparison photo of like this was me when I was 17 when I was actually quite really tiny when I was 17 and I’ve gone through quite a lot of different issues over the past and I maybe 10 kilos heavier than I am now and I like to open up about stuff like that and my real side of stories of how I have got to where I am. I suppose that is how I like to be relatable. And I’m not afraid to show if I’ve got a pimple or stretch marks.
Tim
Well your production value is very high. But your story is very relatable, it’s very real.
Laura
I think the biggest thing that accept us really well and we try in keep it cleaner is it has to be a balance between aspirational and relatable because if it’s so, no one wants to follow an everyday person to start with. They’re not going to get any followers. So you still have to have the aspirational aspect to get them engaged and then we show that we’re real. So it’s a really hard balance and I hope that we’re achieving it but it is something that- there’s no perfect balance but it has to be aspirational and relatable. It can’t be too much of either. It has to be both.
Tim
Other ways of making sure you set up an Instagram account so that it will have a return on your investment whatever that may be?
Laura
I suppose you know your brand. I think that’s the biggest mistake I see people make is that they make these accounts and sometimes they do fashion and then they might do like their fitness and do something else. And then they’ll post a car . What are you doing. You have to know your brand and stick to it. So if your thing is fashion that’s what you should post. If your thing is lifestyle you know, personal lifestyle. But i think it’s knowing your brand. What people want to see. If you’re- some of our friends do really beautiful style accounts. They don’t really post much of their face. They just post really nice pictures. Their pictures always have to be nice. You have to keep calibrate and everything.
Stephanie
People follow for that aesthetic look. They don’t follow them for the relatable side of life. And also, another big tip is to not try and copy anybody . Try and find your own unique way of doing it because if you’re going to try to mimic someone else’s page why would someone follow both of you if you’re doing the same sort of things .
Steph
How did you figure out your styles because I think a lot of people going to Instagram and be like, okay i want to increase my followers but they still don’t know yet. So they sort of dabble in everything. How did you guys figure out like, oh I want to do fitness for this.
Stephanie
Well I mean for me I was lucky as I said my Instagram so growing five years ago. So it’s been a very steady thing. I’ve never really felt like I had to really try and get a lot of followers all at once. It was just happening and I didn’t even know why. But for me I really fell in love with healthy living. And so whenever it came to jobs or promotional things where I was talking about fashion or anything else, it didn’t come naturally to me. Whereas if I was on a job like a fitness job or food or anything like that, I was really passionate about it. I loved talking about it and posting about it is just easier because it’s a part of who I am. So that’s where I target more to that. In saying that I still do love fashion and everything else so i do like to keep it on my page because people have been following me for a number of different things over the years so it’s hard to just be like, okay well now I’m all food and fitness. Because there are still people out there who still love to see my modelling work, still want to know what beauty products I’m using, all that stuff. So for me it’s a bit different because I’m a personal account that just happens so a lot of followers. For keep it cleaner, obviously our idea is to keep it all about healthy living, balance, and happy.
Tim
Now I am going to come clean here. This podcast is nine years old. It’s had a Facebook page, small business big marketing, probably not that entire time. It’s got 7,000 followers or something like that. I’m really underwhelmed by it. Facebook aren’t very kind to Facebook pages anymore. You’ve got to pay for everything, right. I get that but I am underwhelmed and I know why I’m underwhelmed because I’m a bit like the plumber with the squeaky tap I opposed. Hey there’s a new episode there. You know we’re doing a Facebook live at the moment that gets a bit of attraction but I am underwhelmed by the amount of followers because by the way it’s like I’m boasting but it’s the number one podcast in Australian market. And it’s on virgin.
Stephanie
It’s very impressive.
Tim
Well it is and I don’t say that to impress you but I also say because I feel like i too should have a million followers. What are we and I now I say we because a lot of small business owners is going, yeah man I’m so frustrated by my social media. Lack of activity, lack of engagement. What do you say?
Laura
I think you have to add value. I think that’s the biggest thing as a business. You have to offer something to people why are they going to follow you because they’re not just going to follow a page because you post every week and say, we have a new podcast live. You would need to
Stephanie
Because they’d be following the podcasts already over the Facebook.
Laura
So I suppose you have to add more value in doing the podcast so maybe when people come in you could do a one minute video with them and they could do their top five marketing tips-.
Stephanie
Or like a quick q and a or something like that and then that can be on your Facebook . And then you’ve got something else on your Facebook that’s getting people there other than the podcast.
Tim
I love you guys already. What would I know about marketing, that’s what I get out to see.
Steph
Where do you draw the line between posting what you want to post or do you guys post what other people want you to post if you know what I mean.
Stephanie
Yeah that’s definitely something we’ve both had to draw the line for sure. So as soon as we knew with keep it cleaner and when we became really passionate about our girls and everything like that and having that trust from someone else you really have to not play with that and we don’t anymore. We would both get offers nearly every day of things to post whether it’s paid or not or gifted. Every day we get new offers and it’s one of those things where we decided that definitely you have to post what you truly love, what you truly use, what you believe in. Not just, oh here’s a big paycheck can you chuck it on socials.
Tim
It must be hard. What’s the hardest one you said no to? Laura?
Laura
I can’t remember. If it’s not on brand, I think the thing is now we can see it and it’s really important to look to trust at the bigger picture and we’ve built this trust with our following and we hope that we have a lot of integrity. And so if five thousand dollar post comes through you know that’s amazing but then we think okay so if we actually post this, all the trust that we have- it takes five years to build trust and you can lose it in a moment.
Tim
That’s a very hard decision to make and absolutely lose it in a moment.
Laura
So we have to think long term I suppose.
Stephanie
Yeah. It’s exactly the same.
Tim
Is there a bit you want to share but you’ve said no to? As in number ways or client ways? Knows what it is to you.
Stephanie
Oh well I mean in the past there’s been a job where for one post I was offered 15 grand. But you know what it was for? It was for a skinny tea which is something that is completely out of our brand, something we completely disagree with. So it’s a big fat no but to some other girls who obviously may or may not have a business like keep it cleaner, they would’ve obviously jumped on it.
Tim
So socially, we had Jules Lund in here a few months ago from tribe talking about social influence. In fact it was about 12 months ago. Back then it was particularly big and it was just kind of becoming big right and everyone was out there. Hashtag ambassador. And here i am driving a range rover but I don’t really have a range rover they just gave it to me for the weekend. Are we now at the point where people see through that?
Stephanie
Yes i would say so. Would you, Steph? As a consumer or as someone who might follow us. Have you seen through that by now?
Steph
Well it’s so hard because I follow probably a lot of people similar to yours like youtubers. When I see them posting like- someone I follow was posting about like a range rover and I’m thinking like she’s a youtuber appeals to a lot of like 17 year old and I’m thinking it’s just not the demographic who, like we’re not going to go “oh we’re going to go get a range rover because this person has it”. It’s not in our sort of price range but it’s easy to see through on those sort of thing definitely.
Laura
Yeah. I think that’s the brand to- some brands I think they’re now learning more. We still get emails from people saying, hey I’ve got this fitness app do you guys want to promote it. We love what you do. Well number one you don’t know what we do then because we haven’t thought of that. And they’d probably spelled my name wrong or something like that but I think that’s up to the brand and it’s up to the influencer to decide if they’re going to post about it or not.
Stephanie
It’s also though as you said earlier the aspirational side of it. So obviously a 17 year old is not going to go out and buy a range rover but this influencer works really hard.
Tim
This one will try to
Stephanie
But these influencers works really hard obviously. It’s going to a position in their life where they are working with an awesome brand like land rover and it’s how you look at it really. That’s pretty exciting itself.
Tim
What do you say. There’s a lot of small business owners listening who were tossing around the idea of how I’m going to get some social influencers. I only spoke to one yesterday, a friend of mine Jackie, who’s got this wonderful new idea and she approached a personalised baby- kids can personalize pencil cases and all that right? Great idea.
Stephanie
I still love doing that to the old fashioned ones.
Tim
Who do you have?
Steph
Me and my friends still have them and you put your names. It’s good.
Tim
You put your name in. Gotcha. So she approached the social influencer up in Brisbane who was going to, I’ll come down and represent your brand do and be at the opening at David jones. She wanted some exorbitant amount of money to fly it for her husband and two kids down as well and you know it was sort of like she ended up not doing it. But what do you say to the business owners listening who are thinking of paying social influencers and get some exposure?
Stephanie
Really do your research.
Laura
Yeah. Do research on who- sometimes we see people posting for things and we just think oh my goodness, because we are so lucky now that we are also a brand so we know we’ve sent return. We know that the return is there and we also are on the other side as well. It’s important to make sure that the people that you’re sending your products to their audience actually want to know about it. I think just recently I’m working with quite a big business and they were talking about engaging someone with a fashion following and it’s more of a health business. And my response to that was you know why and they said because we want to access a new market but you can’t just access a new market because fashion followers are not interested. So they would just scroll through. So that’s probably one of the biggest should do research. And also when they contact influencers be don’t ask for things i think if someone sends a really nice email personalize and they show that they’ve actually done research into who you are. If they spell your name right. If someone says i am wrong and say they love me I very probably don’t reply to it. You didn’t even know my name.
Tim
Talking about that so all your posts you’re getting an exorbitant amounts of comments. A lot of comments. Sometimes thousands. I’ve looked at some of them. Some of them are pretty ordinary.
Stephanie
We try and filter out as much.
Tim
What delete them? I’ve been through a couple of your posts and you haven’t deleted them.
Stephanie
Somebody gets very crude.
Tim
Two questions. Do you. Do you try and respond to every comment? And how do you manage the negative ones?
Stephanie
On my personal page certainly don’t try and reply every comment. I do read them though and I appreciate every positive one really beautiful and what people write and take the time to write. The negative ones. It depends what angle. So if they are attacking me or anyone else in the picture, it’s potentially going to hurt someone else’s feelings then I’ll just block them and delete it straightaway. If they’re being disgusting. I block and delete it straight away. Obviously there’s some I miss. Just because I haven’t gone back to the photo.
Tim
Laura?
Laura
Well I have less files and stuff so my comments are manageable. I can reply to them
Stephanie
Laura also because of the way that her followers have grown are very much like I would say 90 percent of your following is like 100 percent engaged in what she is doing it seems like they’re 100 percent into the health and fitness whereas a lot of my followers just follow me from some nice photos.
Tim
That’s interesting so two hundred fifty thousand or so followers yet there’s little wastage. If someone wanted to target a group of people who are interested in health and fitness
Laura
Yeah I got 150. So I think now for us. I mean I used to really care right growing it and now we’re at a point when brands look at engagement. They don’t look at followers really as much anymore and if they ask looking at followers they need to reassess what they’re doing. It’s all about engagement. Yeah and for me finding.
Tim
Define engagement.
Laura
So it’s how much people respond and respond to your photo i suppose and engage their photos. So if we post the photo gets 10 likes or some photo gets 10 likes comments but they have 100000 followers. They’ve probably brought their followers yes but then someone might post for example more of a lifestyle account that posts about a product that’s going to have a less usually less engagement and less sales conversions because people follow that i think it’s more of an aspirational yes whereas if a person page like Steph where people love and get to know Steph posts about a product people trust Steph they love her they love watching her life and they’re like oh my god I want it. I want to eat this because Steph eats it but if it’s more of an aspirational page I don’t think that conversion is as good for things like that.
Tim
As a father of three teenagers and a heavy use of social media myself reading about social media. Mental health is an issue amongst the world right. I have a view that social media really negatively feeds mental health because we see the best of people’s lives. Right? And it’s like jeez I wish I could be like that now. I look at your Instagram and to a lesser extent yours Laura. But it’s not going well it’s just like it’s young girls and my daughter Steph if you’ve been here. I’m never going to get there. I’m not going to make that and you walk away three hours later your eyes watering and you are completely down on yourself.
Stephanie
Yeah well no and there’s no way to do that to other people. I mean I used to follow people who had ten thousand followers and I was like is this person is amazing and like they’re going on all these cool things I was one of them once and I still do. But it is something that we share a lot. Laura more so than myself but it’s something that we do open up about is that I’m not going to chuck up a photo. Oh here’s Monday I got pimple today just so you know. Tuesday I cried because my boyfriend left. Thursday oh god I pooed on the carpet. Now I’ve got to clean it up all afternoon. So it’s just one of those things where again as Laura said earlier the whole aspirational side of it. I really do try and keep it real. And as I said before I try to do it as much as I can in my stories because that’s where I can do it you know on the spot. But I still try and keep it aspirational and we try and remind people that there is still stuff going on in our lives
Laura
I think Steph if you look at any other follow with one point three million I really would challenge you to find someone who is as real as Steph with that many followers. If you watch her stories everyday like yours so there’s girls that only speak with a filter there’s not many accounts with one point three million followers that will share a photo and say hey here’s my cellulite I have it. So while your account is aspirational it’s definitely also I think that Steph account is real.
Tim
Love it. What’s been the most surprising outcome of your Instagram journey so far Laura?
Laura
our business. I n fact we have Coles products
Tim
Great Segway and we will know go there. You would agree Steph?
Steph
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
Tim
Yeah. Bye bye Steph. I want to get into business. If however Instagram disappeared tomorrow which it is unlikely but it’s possible . What is very likely is that they change the rules because Facebook changed the rules all the time. And they’re about to change the rules a lot more given what’s going on with you know that whole thing. Cambridge analytic . You rely on it so heavily on we’re about to find out how heavily we’re going to talk business in a minute what’s going to happen to you guys?
Laura
I don’t think we rely heavily on Instagram. It’s our main marketing platform but we have built we’re really lucky and that’s something that’s been really important to us. It’s not just about we don’t really care about our followers anymore it’s not about that anymore. It’s about the community that we’ve built with our kic girls and it’s about the business that we’ve built with keep it cleaner and we know and I know if Instagram got deleted tomorrow there’s going to be something else and we’re going to be on there and we’re going to make sure that our girls follow us. And I think that is what we’ve done. I think that if Instagram got deleted it wouldn’t affect our business.
Tim
I’m not sure about that but i wouldn’t actually know
Stephanie
It would affect it in the slight way. It’s one of the best marketing place for us right now 100 percent but the way that we stretch ourselves over so many different things like our groceries products and our program being online in everything else in YouTube and Facebook like we’ll be fine.
Tim
We are talking to I didn’t know how to describe yourself said instagramers become entrepreneurs. Stephanie Claire smith and Laura Henshaw let’s talk business. So the best thing that’s happened to you as a result of being on Instagram is that it started a whole lot of businesses for you. How do you make your first dollar from Instagram
Stephanie
From Instagram. That was probably before keep cleaner it was probably just one of my first paid posts which was actually probably with Bondi sans when I signed with for about five years through modelling but then they caught onto social media pretty quickly and they were probably the first people that I’ve hosted for and I still do to this day.
Tim
Cool. What about you Laura? Your first dollar.
Laura
Yeah I have no idea. I don’t know. I have no idea. I think it would have been twenty five dollars it would have been.
Tim
I love it. Probably the best 25 bucks you ever made. When was the moment you decided that you’d hit critical mass and that you must start your first business.
Stephanie
well when we first started the keep it cleaner kind of journey it wasn’t all about money for us. It was as Laura said earlier I was getting a lot of questions about what I was eating. Laura at the time had a food blog. Food and healthy lifestyle blog. She was, a couple years ago and she was put a lot of really great recipes up on line and we’d both been modelling overseas for a while and she came back and we just brought up this idea of making an e-book which was keep it clean which was our first e-book and we were expecting nothing from it. We were just kind of a few of you were asked what our diet is like and what we put in our food. This is what it is and it sold so well that we were like okay we’d be silly not to do something more with this.
Tim
How did you sell it? Did you create a landing page?
Laura
We had a website.
Tim
Yeah and that was kic girls.
Laura
No. Its keepitcleaner.com.au. So kic girls came after that.
Stephanie
Actually our e-book was on my website first. Laura kept her blog going for a little bit but it became more about like fitness and stuff and she kept the recipes for the book and the book was being sold on my random website and then yeah when we saw it going really well we created keep it cleaner.
Tim
every business owner has this story of where they’ve just put something out to the market and it might not have been the most polished and
Stephanie
It definitely was not polished.
Laura
Now we’ve shot with proper food. At that time we have no idea, we shot 37 recipes in one day and no one does that. We didn’t have food styles. We did it all ourselves.
Stephanie
We used artificial light.
Laura
Everything, we had to use a flash because we shot all day. Our banana bread. I had made three days before because we did not have time to make on the day so its slimy in the photo
Stephanie
It looks so bad and the imagery looks like it’s been taken by 12 year old but then not to mention once we launched it that night my mum message us with about 30 spelling mistakes. There was ingredients missing like it was pretty intense.
Laura
We just did it and I think the thing for us. The girls shared it because you found out so obviously, the whole space is extremely saturated so many people in it at differentiating factor was that we were so real and our recipes were so easy and we were so used the recipes where you know there’s 300 ingredients and you have to do go to a health store and spend three hundred dollars to make a slice that doesn’t work but girls are making our recipes and they send their recipe their creation is looking better than our photo. So they wanted to share it and I think that’s what makes our success.
Tim
So just to be clear Instagram is going along beautifully. People are wanting more of you to go. You’ve created an e-book with a lot of recipes. The stuff you eat because that’s what people are after. What you got are the questions that you are getting, the e-book sells really well you look each other in the eye and go oh hang on. Next what’s next.
Stephanie
So the website was next which was more of a blogging platform
Tim
Kic girls
Stephanie
That was keepitcleaner. And yeah we were just trying to update that every month we had subscribers on there so girls who were interested in new recipes every month work out every month. Comparing it now to the kic girls program that we have it’s quite funny to look back on but that’s just as we said we were just real and just trying to get anything out there that we could and then yeah kic girls. A full program like the one we’ve got now is always a dream of us were so excited to be doing that. And then literally within months of organising that we were approached to by our business partners with our groceries line and
Tim
hold that thought that’s exciting. Am I right in saying that your blogging to the point where you go to the blog going really well traffic is increasing. Did you have a conversation where you go hang on we were giving all this away for free what if we packaged it up into membership
Laura
That’s what Steph said to me. If it wasn’t for Steph I would be working for free everyday of my life but I think it was an important step of our business. And I think that’s what’s really hard is we get a lot of messages around girls saying oh my god I just want to do what you do how do I do it. And we didn’t just become successful overnight. We gave away free content for a long time and we added. We gave people value and then they decided to invest in us. So it’s not I think you do need to give the free market value before but we did it Steph was like oh my god Laura why don’t we sell these recipes and I was like what why would anyone want to buy my recipe. You’re crazy.
Stephanie
But I supposed that’s just like why we try make everything as affordable as possible. Our program is one of the most affordable ones on the market. Our groceries are as well that’s why they’re in Coles and not a health food store. And that’s what we’re trying to do because again as much as it’s a business and which is amazing we’re making money from something we love. It’s not about the money for us it’s still about making healthy lifestyles accessible as possible.
Tim
So just on that point Steph making money from something you love. Many don’t. Many people made money from stuff they’d maybe not hype doesn’t bring them joy. Then you set out first and foremost to share your lives and your information your knowledge with 100 percent pure intention of just making others lives better and then a business comes as opposed to going let’s start a business.
Laura
I think that’s been why we have been so successful is because modeling is like not our first driver. I don’t, unless you have huge capital behind you and you can copy a product straight offered and you know you’re going to have more money in the bank and can do more marketing than that other business. It’s very hard to just start a business. Oh my god they made some money for a fitness program. Well of course they want to make money.
Tim
Got it. Yeah. Do you still give away stuff for free information for free in order.
Laura
Yeah yeah yeah yeah for sure. It’s a free blog post our emails every week. Yeah right.
Tim
Steph how’s that going any questions I let you in.
Steph
No you’re going well
Tim
So this podcast could work
Laura
Yeah and on Instagram.
Tim
Yeah. Well I should I don’t. I do Facebook twitter LinkedIn google plus Pinterest. I do not do Instagram for this podcast.
Stephanie
Yeah but I mean I suppose it depends on your audience so a lot of the audience probably isn’t on Instagram.
Tim
What are you saying
Laura
Maybe you should get on because they think soon they will.
Stephanie
I mean like there’s plenty of people who are. And I think the important thing is if you are on Instagram if we put up a post to say hey go listen to this podcast we could then tag you.
Tim
I love that. And I can tag you on this Facebook live you have to be friends. Okay. So now are we getting towards kic girls because you’re selling an e-book. E-book’s gone really well you’ve gone let’s put all this information together into a membership’s or how long ago was that
Stephanie
Kic girls was last year what month.
Laura
We launched in September. In September last year.
Tim
It’s really new.
Laura
It has been really new. Our old web site was a subscription based web site. I think it was 7.99 a month for three recipes and one work out. And now we look back on that we didn’t add enough value to the customer. So we needed to do something more which where kic girls came from
Tim
Which is 19.95
Laura
19.50 a month
Stephanie
And there’s a work out. A new workout every single day. Breakfast lunch dinner recipes every single day
Tim
A strong healthy happy three categories that you kind of continue to contribute information to breed. Can you wrap some numbers around that. I’d love to understand. I don’t know what you can reveal. There’s no one listening so.
Laura
We can say we have thousands of members but we will prevail
Stephanie
And we’ll say that we’ve got members in over 20 countries
Laura
I think I think more now.
Tim
Seriously guys. That is something to be proud of.
Steph
It’s cool that you started a community. So i think a lot of people because you know like a Facebook group
Stephanie
Yeah I think a lot of people really enjoy that like I’m part of a couple I’m not part of kic. So I get onto it.
Steph
I saw about to like two of my friends last night doing your workout. A while back, even one of my friends posts, I noticed last night after doing her workout she posted like a sweaty photo of her she’s like this is good. You know this is a good sign. I’m sweating
Tim
Thanks to a kic girls
Stephanie
Thanks to kic girls. Oh yeah. I mean our Facebook community is probably definitely my favorite part of our whole program. Like Laura are on it everyday checking it. Writing back to people. Engaging with the girls because we’re so thankful for anyone who signs up and anyone who then shares stuff on the group or asks us questions like we just want to be there as much as possible for them so it’s really beautiful group. There is some amazing girls on there like it’s just it’s really
Tim
How much are spending a day inside that community just to be clear to listeners. You get video tutorials. You get recipes pdf in the program and then off to the side is a private Facebook community. So how much you spend in there.
Laura
Probably an hour a day. It depends. It’s when we have time.
Stephanie
Some days i just like oh I got a notification I’ll just quickly write back and I’ll just get it done with. Other days I’ll schedule out like an hour where I just flick through.
Tim
I had a forum for a number of years it’s closed at the moment but it hung heavily on me if I never responded within 24 hours to everyone. That was part of the reason that i turned it off from the time, for a moment in time.
Stephanie
And if it’s not me it’s Laura.
Laura
We just want them to know that we’re there. We’re relatable and we’re selling this to them. We never want to be people that sell this big idea and or this big program and then just kind of take their money and leave them. We’re not that. We’re definitely not about that and i think when people sign up. We’re so lucky and people engage with us. We’ve sold this story and when you sign up to kic girls or if you buy our kombucha or if you buy our bliss ball’s you buy the story of kic and this lifestyle and so you know it’s not just one product it’s like buying to this.
Tim
How do you buy it sort.
Laura
Because we’ve sold it. And when you when you buy a blissball you’re buying the lifestyle of kic which is being happy and healthy in terms of balance.
Tim
Stephanie do you get that. Does it make sense to you.
Steph
Yeah of course yeah that makes sense. I mean like if you want it. Well for me personally like I’m really into like ethics of brands and sustainability and everything. So I think that like you feel so much better when you’re supporting a brand you believe in especially if you guys are faces of it and you’re continuing to promote that. I think that’s really important.
Tim
I’m not very good at math’s but based on a thousand members of which you have a whole lot more. That’s nineteen thousand five hundred dollars a month and you could go back to studying or you are studying full time. Laura, Steph get you a business class back and forward from Bali a couple times a month. I mean what’s your motivation to keep going. Because we’re about to talk about all these other things that you’ve got going on.
Stephanie
We’ve got to remember that there’s a whole team working on the program. So there’s a lot of expenses.
Tim
Damn those expenses
Stephanie
Yeah damn expensive. Exactly. So it’s not. We don’t just get that money back like that.
Tim
Okay. So and I’m conscious you got to go in 15 minutes Laura. Do you have to go with Laura, Steph ? Okay, I’m not going to keep a whole lot longer. So kic girls, keep it clean girls is going along beautiful by the way that kicgirls.com. If anyone wants to go and check that out and then like seriously how on earth do you get into college. How do you get before that. How do you get a food line up.
Stephanie
Well it’s like we both love cooking. We love healthy eating but we know that there’s a lot of people who don’t love cooking but really want to eat healthy and want it to be a lot more affordable and accessible so it’s something that we’ve always thought of and wanted to do. We just had no idea where to start. We actually did. We partnered with a small label last year and did a little cookie bake mix of one of our favorite recipes and it went really well and was really fun and that kind of made really realize that we definitely want to have products.
Laura
I had a protein when I was 20 . A protein brand called four protein which was great. It was a great product but I had my business partner and i just didn’t have those values aligned. It wasn’t doing that anymore. But we had developed one that we wanted to do something with that we just didn’t have the time and the resources to do it. So that was kind of on the back burner as well. So it’s always been in our blood. I suppose we wanted to do it but we were just waiting for the right time and resources I suppose to do it.
Stephanie
And we just our business partners now these two guys Jim and tom who are legends approached us and they’d been in the industry and been working with Coles for a while.
Tim
Why are they legend?
Stephanie
Oh they’re really easy to work with. We love working with them.
Tim
Did they find you or you found them?
Stephanie
They found us.
Laura
But it wasn’t about it, actually when they first found us, it was about posting for about another product that they were doing and it was just that when we met them we got along so well and our values were so aligned and their young ambitious and I think it’s with millennials. We can go two ways. We can be lazy and want a pay rise after a week or we can be really driven and just want to work arses off and that’s what they are like. So that’s what we’re like as well.
Tim
And tom and Jim they found you via Instagram. The boomerang effect which is the title of my book. It’s all about the more you put into them into your marketing the more it will return multiples and it won’t just be sales. The multiples can be connecting time. These amazing things happen when we market ourselves very well.
Stephanie
I suppose they just they asked us if it was something that we would ever be interested in doing and we were like yep hundred percent. Is it possible? Can we do it? Then it kind of just we got onto really quickly worked really hard all altogether and made it happen so unbelievably.
Tim
So this is a product that was metrofoodco.com.au which is the website but the food range is called keep it cleaner.
Laura
So metrofoodco is our registered business name and then we have our keep it cleaner
Tim
So you got this range and I speak to you yesterday Laura you were leaving Coles having that sampling of like a coconut apple cider I mean come on . So you tweet you’re about to have 21 in Coles.
Laura
It’s pretty amazing and we started with seven and that i think was with our business partners. I mean there are a lot of people that create brands for celebrities . For people and for us the biggest thing we are involved in this, is probably at the start tom and Jim we thought were the biggest pains in the bums because we would get involved in everything. If any product comes through that we could possibly do. That is not a brand for us. We will not do it. And I think that’s why its products have been so successful. And that’s why we’ve been able to do more.
Tim
What’s a conversation sound like in your mind when you go. Is it something on brand.
Stephanie
Oh well it’s just Laura and I, we wanted to make a healthy brand that was genuinely healthy like you can go down to health food aisle in somewhere like Coles or woolies and there is a number of things there that are actually healthy. Good for you. And we know that people are fed up of going to the supermarket and doing the kind of groceries there and then going to a health food store for these other products that they believed in and they’re also really expensive. We wanted to bring that kind of quality product into a supermarket at a reasonable price. So it was just about being strict on that. We don’t want to start putting things out in the market that people were going to be like well this is actually like half full of vegetables and like sugars and preservatives.
Laura
We know our buyer and our buyer is going to read the ingredients. So we have to make sure when they do they are happy with what they see.
Tim
I’ve got a vegan daughter and I get a laugh out of some of the Steph had to be saying. But I get a laugh out of it. The world’s change and we had a little bit of Mexican before we came in to the studio today. I noticed there was an activated charcoal and cheese tortilla now. What are some of your products you got bliss balls you’ve got this apple cider vinegar.
Stephanie
It’s coconut cider vinegar. It’s a drink. So it’s a sweet drink. We got pineapple pop appleberry pop and we’ve got a protein bar which is delicious
Laura
And it’s the one of the first or it is the first chilled protein that go into the supermarket. It’s really exciting.
Stephanie
We’ve got some gluten free porridge. We’ve got shirataki noodles. We got sauerkraut, kimchi.
Tim
So that’s a big business. Your studying?
Laura
Yeah just one subject.
Tim
What do you bring to the party now you are genuinely serious business partners. No more a little e-books and memberships. You’re dealing with the biggest supermarket chain. Steph just smiles.
Stephanie
We get this question a lot.
Laura
Yeah it’s really so recently actually I did an interview and I didn’t know how to answer it because I can not explain it. It’s very rare for two friends to work together because they’re both going to offend each other and we our relationship is more I guess I’d say this sister relationship because if we don’t like something, we can say it and it’s not going to offend the other one because they know that they care about and I suppose it can happen and then we are just we’re like chalk and cheese. We’re so different very different. I can’t tell you the qualities of how we are different but we are just if we’re a puzzle, we would connect like this. We’d have no components that were.
Stephanie
We just we very different but we have the same ambition and goals for the business itself. So in that way it works really well. But I suppose
Tim
It’s interesting that because I’ve seen it from two sides I do a radio show with Steve price him and I are very different before I go on air with Steve. He goes on air with a fellow by the name of Andrew bolt and they are peas in a pod these two and they agree with everything okay and I go and it’s the top rated show in Australia. What does that work when they’re always just agreeing on the other side of that coin when I first started the first 80 episodes of this show I did with a fellow called Luke and Luke is everything I’m not. It sounds like you two are. Luke was very into detail. I was very into the big picture but we had this ability to be able to tell each other. It was great because we didn’t hold a grudge and we got on with it. We had a lot of success from it and I think there’s power in being in honouring your differences
Laura
For sure and respect. I suppose we have the utmost respect for each other and treat each other that’s really important but we also have exactly the same goal and that’s why some people do think we’re exactly the same because we have the same goal but we’re really not if that makes sense.
Tim
Easy or hard work. Kic food. Keep it cleaner food.
Stephanie
It’s not easy. No way. Like it’s awfully hard work but I suppose it’s easier in the way that we’re motivated. 90 percent of the time I say because we love it so much so there is obviously days where no matter what job you have there’s going to be days where you really can’t be bothered even if you love your job like we do. There is those days all like it’s just too much. But I think when we’re just so passionate about the goal that we do have. It’s a lot of hard work but it’s easy to want to do that
Laura
Because we love and we’re sort of 9 to 5 job. That’s when you run a business that says you know you don’t ever stop. And the hardest thing for us I think is kic girls is the energy and i mean a lot of projects come to us but you can’t say yes to all of them because our main project really is keep it cleaner and the energy that it takes, that we want to give to it. It requires so much energy to be on our frangipane for one hour a day and we want to be there for all the girls and that’s probably the hardest thing for me personally. Some days when I’m so tired and I can’t give that energy but I still try and that’s really the thing for me that I find the hardest is always giving the energy to try and do and see. But some days you just you just don’t have it. But most days we try.
Tim
Steph you get a question of the girls around having a manager or so.
Steph
Lot of social media influencers which you guys call yourself that?
Steph
Well it’s something that I’ve never really I really never loved the word influencer though it’s just because that that is such a big bracket of people were all very different. So I suppose I like to go if I was to introduce myself I’d probably be like ambassador model entrepreneur and that kind of thing. Fitness advocate or something like that. I very rarely like to use the word influencer.
Tim
Do you have a mentor or a manager of sorts.
Laura
We have a manager and we have both different mentors. We both have different people in our lives that we take different things from and we need different types of energy from different people. We work with Bruce when we launch kic girls was fantastic and Janine. She was so good.
Tim
How?
Laura
I suppose that was a really good example of how we both added shared values so we helped them access our market and then they helped us access in their database. That worked really well but Janine I really look up to because her husband and herself are in business together it’s very rare for a husband and wife to be able to work together but their relationship and in her book it reminds me of even my self’s relationship because they just work because their personalities are quite different but they come together. That’s why I really like Janine because I can relate to her
Tim
That’s a good to have her as a mentor.
Laura
She’s amazing.
Stephanie
The day that we sat down we thought we were just kind of saying hello to her and like being really excited about the partnership and everything. She sat down told it like she asked so many questions. Tell me about this tell me that actually we just basically sat down with sign here and she literally gave us like an hour of business advice and Laura’s jaw was on the floor
Tim
Why?
Laura
I just I could not believe we were in the room getting business advice from her. I just I never thought that out.
Stephanie
I think one of the best parts was when we asked if we went to shark tank which she said yes
Tim
I’m conscious you’ve got to go Laura we’re going to keep recording we are going to have a little break though because I just want to get a photo of all of us before we leave then. And then we will continue Steph because I’ve got a couple of probing. Laura anything you want to leave us with. I think that’s pretty well covered. I mean I think you’re doing a great job to be full time studying law
Laura
Not full time. Part time.
Tim
Okay but I do think you do a great job. Now we are back. Photos taken that will put on to the show notes for this episode. Laura has left us so we are left with two Stephanie’s my daughter Stephanie. How are you doing Steph.
Steph
I’m good.
Tim
more importantly how’s your dad doing.
Steph
You’re doing really well.
Tim
I’m sure you’ll tell me when it’s all over the truth and Stephanie Claire Smith Instagram e r entrepreneur. So many things going on. E-books membership cites a range of food in Coles supermarkets but for you Steph it does not stop there. Does it. Where do we go with this. Just overview sunglasses brand bikini brand ambassador for Bondi sands and Clinique.
Stephanie
So we get the ambassador first because they’re probably they were the first things that came up so originally I was modelling full time and that was my job. That was my full time job. Instagram was just kind of my thing I posted on the side and Bondi sands was one of my first clients that signed me as an ambassador. In the face of the brand which at the time was in my first year of modelling I was like so unbelievably excited because I just never thought that that would ever happen. So that happened then and it’s continued to happen and
Tim
Is that a social media ambassador.
Stephanie
Yeah but I’m also a face of their major campaigns. So yeah I’m just kind of the face of the brand which is really cool
Tim
Tanning salon.
Stephanie
It’s a tanning label. Yeah. Yeah they’re pretty big in the u.k. And everything else so it’s really exciting. It’s awesome to be part of that family. They’re doing such great job. Clinique came on about two years ago I started working with them. And yeah I’ve been signed with them for almost two years now and they’re just awesome to work with. We have a few little shoots but it’s more a social ambassador and I’m an ambassador for the Australian side of Clinique so I’ll go to a lot of the events that they have for new products and stuff like that which is really cool. But yeah those kind of roles again as I said before when we were talking about posting I have to really be interested and really love a brand to sign on to someone like that. Like just recently last year I was signed with I did ask for a year and that was really exciting for me because for the year before that I’d been working with them quite a lot and I loved the brand. Who doesn’t love it but to be signed with them was insanely exciting for me. So that was really cool. But there’s been things that have been offered to me to sign exclusively. If you don’t love it or believe in it I couldn’t.
Tim
Yeah absolutely. So I imagine the ambassador roles they would be coming through frequently. Given what you’re doing.
Stephanie
Yes and no because the thing is because I’ve been with Bondi sans for over five years now. Clinique now for a couple of years. And obviously adidas has just ended unfortunately
Tim
What did you do? Caught wearing a puma? Maybe some Skechers we were in sketches.
Stephanie
No certainly not. It’s just one of those things like it was good but they’ve just decided to go a different way. A lot of ambassadors have changed from last year so I suppose it’s one of those things like a brand I couldn’t be an ambassador for 10 different brands that wouldn’t work.
Tim
Well that’s is the point. How do you choose what to do because you know soda shades sunnies which you have with your boyfriend. You’ve got midnight co bikini’s which is you’ve got with your boyfriend younger brother. Is that weird?
Stephanie
No I suppose the reason why is because Ethan actually started his own men’s wear label four years age and then he started doing women’s wear and he got me onboard then because he wants a woman’s point of view and what I wanted to wear. So I started to go onboard then and then we started making bikinis together because its something I really wanted to do because I wear them all the time. So I basically making what i wanted to wear literally and it started to work really well so we got rid of all the clothing and partnered together and just keep it as just swimwear and it works really. He’s one of my best friends. I’ve known the family for twelve years so its not as weird as it sounds .
Tim
A bit of serious question. What happen to all of that if it goes pear shape?
Stephanie
In all seriousness I don’t think it would make a difference. To be honest I’ve been very close to his family before we were even together and his little sister is a little sister to me and Ethan as I’ve said is one of my best friend. So I think if we were ever going to break up its one of those things that it wouldn’t affect my relationship with the others. Its just we’re too strong in our bond also I cant see us breaking up. I’m still waiting for that ring.
Tim
I think the big question here is how do you juggle all this because there are business owners listening who own a business. A vet who got some stuff, a plumber who has some stuff. And that’s hard. You can get and maybe I’m stereotyping here but young not single but no kids I’m guessing not a lot of debt maybe business debt. There’s less pressure I mean as a 50 year old bloke guy that you just got less pressure so you can have all those balls in the air if some hit the ground bad luck. Or am I being unfair. .
Stephanie
Well last year josh I actually a year and half ago we bought a house so we have got a debt. So you know there is risk a hundred percent. But I suppose .
Tim
Then you got a dog.
Stephanie
Ah yeah we got a beautiful dog. But the whole thing about balancing it all or like how am I doing it. I have amazing teams in each of those businesses. It’s not just me. So obviously if it was just me there’s no way I could keep them all afloat but my part of my big thing that I bring to the table obviously other than design ideas and my own personal input and emotion and all that stuff. It’s a lot of it’s marketing it’s getting it in people’s hands is getting people wearing it. And then there is obviously other parts where I am in the back side of it as well. But my business partners do most of the back end of stuff so it’s really them that help keep it afloat. There’s no way I could run all these businesses by myself.
Tim
I’m interested in marketing of sunnies and bikinis. Are you still relying on Instagram or what’s the most effective marketing you can do for both of those products.
Stephanie
For now we see the most return in Instagram for sure.
Tim
What does the line between posting on Instagram to getting a sale look like. Is it a real zig-zag up and down or is it a straight line. We post we sell.
Stephanie
It’s pretty straightforward like we can look at what we sell every day and we have a nice steady number and then if I post or if we get someone else who’s got the following posts we do see very big sparks. So it’s pretty straight line. But in saying that because we have buyers from all over the world like some people don’t see the post till 10 15 hours later or even the next day. So sales can go like that. And as you know you might see something that you see someone posts about and you might really want it you wont going to go buy it straight away. Yeah I buy it later anyway. Yes save it on. Yes. So that happens to me.
Steph
Do you reach out to other influencer on Instagram or youtuber as your own products.
Stephanie
For sure. Yeah. I mean the thing is I’ve made quite a lot of friends through Instagram funnily enough. And I support them as much as they support me. So I’ve got girlfriends who I post all the time for free for and I’m happy to support. I love doing that. Knowing how much hard work comes into a business I’m happy to support someone if I can and they end up doing the same. So I am lucky to have that for sure.
Tim
What do you find particularly difficult in all of this. Knowing all the different brands and commitments and ambassadorships you have. What really freaks you out.
Stephanie
I suppose the most difficult part about it all is and it happened at the start of the year where it all got a little bit too much. I couldn’t switch off and I felt bad if I switched off. So if I got home from work and I wanted to sit down on the couch for half an hour I felt bad. I feel like I should be doing e-mails or I should be on the kic girls community or filming each video. I just felt like that my time was being wasted. I couldn’t sleep in anymore. I wasn’t sleeping because I’d go into bed and all these ideas would start coming up in my mind. I wasn’t switching off and when there is so many things going on it’s really hard to and then particularly when a lot of it is online you consumed in being on your computer and your phone.
Tim
What did you do?
Stephanie
Well I get acupuncture which I love and I cried for about an hour talking to him about it and had acupuncture and he reminded me of something that I used to love doing which was going on walks so I’ve never been big on meditation. Ever since a kid I’ve fidget. I just need to be doing something but walking for me I used to do it five times a week even if it was just for 20 minutes or whatever. But I was by myself or with my dog and i just kind of switched off and honestly just bringing that back into routine has helped me so much. And also we went up to the river where we have a holiday house by the river and we went up there midweek. Josh and I, just for two days and didn’t do much work at all and it was so great because the thing about our job is when you have your own business as Laura said it’s not nine to five you’re working Saturdays and Sundays as well. And there is also events on all the time at nights whether that’s during the week or on the weekend so it’s really hard to find those days switch off. So I think together, made a conscious decision to make sure we do plan those days or those hours in the day where we do switch off .
Tim
There’s not another product surely coming up on?
Stephanie
No because the thing is I never ever want to get to that point where I’m flooding my Instagram to people like Steph. Just non-stop oh this not product his this or this do that. So that’s why I’ve signed on with the people they have signed on that I’m happy to post for and then the people I press the most for is like keep it cleaner like my business is because obviously I’m so passionate and I want them to go really well. So then the posts, the other stuff, the other brands that pop up that’s just every now and again if I say just everything there’d be like 10 posts a day of a branded post and I don’t want that as much as I know that my followers don’t want that. I don’t even want to do that.
Tim
My daughter Stephanie. Yeah I’m done. I’m inspired. I have a clearer idea on Instagram I feel like I’m probably going to add to my to do list at Instagram as a channel to promote my podcast. And in a real way like another episode coming I’ve got to figure out what those posts are going to look like but Steph can I leave the closing words to you I’m going to put you on the spot you know you can make a motivational speech or is it just a high five Steph.
Steph
Who do you think everyone should follow on Instagram besides yourself. Like who do you love
Stephanie
I’m completely out of what I do. Celeste barber.
Steph
Oh my goodness I love her. I tried to get you on to her. I look forward to her post every day.
Stephanie
She’s great. Basically she is a comedian. She got quite a lot of media lately. She does give it real in the way she does that. She gets photos of supermodels or videos of supermodels. Same pose. She gets her husband involved. Its really something.
Tim
That’s a clever idea and there is a learning there’s that. A great question Steph because the learning is like come up with an original idea. So what she’s doing is yes finding poses from models, very serious models and she’s doing it and she doesn’t have the same body shape. It’s clever. It is funny. I get that.
Steph
But its in a way that’s not annoying. It’s not like she’s not putting herself because like some comedians. I know you really love Amy Schumer. She can be a bit too, like you know I really hate my body and sometimes it can just be a bit too much but celeste on the other hand she’s just so good.
Tim
Good idea. Hey Stephanie Claire Smith well done. Seriously and you are what the show’s all about you and Laura. Having a crack and having courage. Massive amount of courage i don’t know whether you recognize how much courage you guys are displaying in making decisions saying no. As much as just saying yes. And probably making a real difference to the lives of people like Steph and others who are out there trying to have a crack. So thank you for coming in and sharing.
Steph
I actually have one more question to ask you. Well you’ve achieved so much. But what else can you achieve or do you want bigger goals.
Stephanie
So I suppose the reason why I pushed so hard now and I’m trying to work really hard now and do everything now is I’ve always had this dream of being a young mum. So like you literally within three or four years I want to start trying to have a kid. So I’ve always dreamed to be one of those mums that may have a business running on the side where I can run it from home or I want to be one of these moms who’s with the kids a lot. So to be able to, we want to do more property investment and stuff like that and that’s what we’re really building towards for the next five years so if we get all that underway and all this hard work that’s what I want to pay for is just a beautiful family. Relaxing life for the rest of my life. It’s going to be my goals other than obvious little business goals.
Tim
Do you get inspired Steph.
Steph
Yeah definitely.
Tim
I think we’ve finished and absolutely inspired go to kicgirls.com go to metrofoodco.com.au and tell them Timbo sent you.
#KICgirls @_stephcsmith and Laura Henshaw, explain how their massive #Instagram following enabled them to launch multiple businesses #instatips https://t.co/3qDoPIAeuE
— Timbo ? (@TimboReid) April 30, 2018
But the marketing gold doesn’t stop there, in this episode you’ll also discover:
- Two more lucky listeners share what marketing is working for them, and in return I give them a prize or two
Resources mentioned:
- KICGirls official website
- Stephanie Claire-Smith on Instagram
- Laura Henshaw on Instagram
- Keep It Cleaner on Instagram
- Keep It Cleaner official website
- Metro Food Co. official website
- Danny Kennedy personal trainer
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